Thursday, June 12, 2008

My Biblical Defense of Universal Redemption

Some years ago, I made this document for a former pastor who was accusing me of heresy. Over the years I've been adding to it. Today, if anyone becomes interested in my "heretical" beliefs, I give them this document. I guess this is how I fulfil the command in scripture to "be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks the reason of the hope that is in you."

I you read this and find it interesting, inspiring, or just plain heretical, please leave a comment.

PART 1: Bible Passages Supporting Universal Redemption

These are in no particular order, except that the first two constitute the strongest case for universalism in the Bible, in my opinion.

Romans 5:18-19: Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

The same “all men” who fall under the condemnation resulting from the “one trespass” also receive the “justification that brings life” resulting from the “obedience of the one”. The same group called “the many” who were made sinners, will be made righteous.

1 Cor 15:21-28: For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

“As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own turn.” How can this be more clear? There are three phases to the plan: (1) Christ, (2) those who belong to him when he comes, and then finally (3) everything else. At the end, every enemy has been destroyed and God is all in all. Who is suffering in hell then?

I Tim 2:4-6: who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men--the testimony given in its proper time.

God desires that all men be saved. If God desires it, then it is his will (can God have desires contrary to his own will?). How can he fail to accomplish his will?

Philippians 2:9-11: Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Since the scriptures say in Romans 10:9-10 that “if you confess with your mouth ‘Jesus is Lord’… you will be saved” and “it is with the mouth that you confess and are saved”, why won’t these people be saved? One common argument against universalism is that God has given us free will, and will not coerce us. If God will not coerce anyone to do his will, how will He get every knee to bow and every tongue to confess? If He plans to coerce them then, why will he not do so now?

Also, it says that this knee-bowing and tongue-confessing will be “to the glory of God the Father”. Can these actions bring God glory if they are coerced?

Lamentations 3:31-33: For men are not cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to the children of men.

Another clear statement that God will never cast anyone off forever.

Rom 11:32: God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Who’s been bound in disobedience? By whom? This is apparently God’s plan from beginning to end! If God is going to show mercy upon everyone, why do we teach that some will not receive mercy?

Isaiah 54:8: “In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you," says the LORD your Redeemer.

A wonderful little statement showing that God’s wrath is LIMITED, but his mercy is INFINITE. Many statements and events throughout the Bible reinforce the idea that God’s wrath and anger burn quickly and come to an end, but his love, kindness and mercy are part of his character and nature and so last forever.

Isaiah 57:16: I will not accuse forever, nor will I always be angry, for then the spirit of man would grow faint before me-- the breath of man that I have created.

Why won’t he accuse or be angry forever? Because he is concerned that he not break the spirit of men. Surely an endless, hopeless Hell is against the character of the one speaking here. Also notice the class of people that is defined by “man that I have created.” Not only does this include all people, but it implies that God assumes some responsibility for the well being of those he created.

John 12:32: But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.

Undeniably shows that the “drawing” is extended to all men, not an elect few.

Hebrews 2:9: But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

Whom did he NOT taste death for? And if he has tasted death for someone, why must that person taste death for themselves, except that his sacrifice was not enough?

Hebrews 2:14-15: Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil-- and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

Notice again the class of people defined by those who "have flesh and blood" and "their humanity". Whom will Jesus free? Everyone who was enslaved by the devil – namely every human being – will be freed, even those who were held in slavery all their lives. Don't miss that phrase: ALL THEIR LIVES they were enslaved by fear, yet they will eventually be freed!

1 John 2:2: He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

If by “ours”, John means to refer to the believers to whom he was writing, what does it mean to go further and say that Jesus Christ was the atoning sacrifice for the sins of the whole world? What point is there to saying this if those people are still destined for a hopeless hell?

1 John 4:14: And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

How can he be the savior of the world if the world is not saved by him?

Colossians 1:19-20: For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

When all things are reconciled and peace has been made, who will be in Hell?

1 Tim 4:9-10: This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

If Jesus is the savior of all men, who will not be saved by him? What does “especially of those who believe” mean? Here the apostle Paul explicitly tells us to teach that God is the savior of all men. Why do we teach that most people will never be saved? What good is a “savior” who cannot or does not save most of the people he is supposed to save?

Hebrews 12:8-11: If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

Who undergoes discipline? Everyone does. There is no such thing as "illegitimate children" of God. The parenthetical statement "and everyone undergoes discipline" makes it clear that when he talks about "illegitimate children" he is talking about a hypothetical group of people. Notice also that, UNLIKE our human fathers may have done, God ALWAYS disciplines us in order to bring about some good result.

Revelation 21:3-5: And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."

No more death, crying or pain? Why is this said, if most people are still suffering pain and death in Hell? Why do we pretend to hope for a time when there will be no more pain and death, if we know that many will suffer pain and death forever?

2 Samuel 14:14: Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die. But God does not take away life; instead, he devises ways so that a banished person may not remain estranged from him.

In this passage a "wise woman", recruited by Joab, is pleading with King David to be reconciled to his son Absolom, who had killed his brother Amnon.
Is this woman in error? If traditional Christian doctrine be true, many will ultimately become estranged from him and he will not be able to devise a way to recover them.

PART 2: Conflicting Passages
  1. First a word about context. No matter how much scripture I quote, or how much surrounding context I include, someone will say I’m taking the passage “out of context”. Without quoting the entire Bible every time, it’s impossible to include the entire context with every passage of scripture. When talking about these passages, I’ve studied them in their context, and do not believe I am using any of them in a way that is not warranted by their context.
  2. The most common objection people raise comes from Matthew 25:46:

    Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

    The problem with this passage and others like it is the word “eternal”. In popular usage, the word eternal is commonly understood to simply mean “without end” or “lasting forever”. However, the Bible, and even Jesus himself, gives us a different definition of the word. In John 17, Jesus defines “eternal life”:

    Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    Here we see that “eternal life” is not merely life that lasts forever, it is life that is lived in fellowship with God. It is a quality, not a quantity. This does not preclude it’s lasting forever, of course, but it does not by itself mean that it lasts forever.

    Similarly, in Jude we have a description of “eternal punishment”:

    Sodom and Gomorrah … serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

    So “eternal fire” is not fire that burns forever. The fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah does not burn today where those cities once stood. It went out after its purpose was fulfilled. Rather, “eternal fire” is the fire that comes from God, and “eternal punishment” is the punishment that comes from God.

    In serving as “an example” of what “the punishment of eternal fire” is, Sodom and Gomorrah show us that “eternal fire” does not continue to burn forever, and is “eternal” only in the sense that its source is God.

    Moreover, Ezekiel 16 speaks of a time that Sodom “and her daughters” shall be restored! In Ezekiel 16, God confronts Jerusalem with her sins, telling her that she has made Sodom and Gomorrah “appear righteous” by comparison. He then goes on to say that he will “restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters”, and that he will later, after a period of suffering, restore Jerusalem as well.

    So one may “suffer the punishment of eternal fire”, and still be restored later.
  3. Another common passage brought up in discussions on this topic is Revelation 14:10:

    And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.

    Taken literally and at face value, I will have to concede that this verse explicitly says that those people who take the “mark of the beast” will be tormented forever. However, I think it is a mistake to interpret this passage, and all the highly symbolic and figurative language that surrounds it in the Book of Revelation, literally.

    In the chapter before this we read of a beast emerging from the sea with ten horns and seven heads, and another with horns and a voice “like a dragon”. Clearly this is highly figurative. This book, more than any other in the whole Bible (except possibly Daniel), is filled with figurative language, the meaning of which is highly debatable. Surely it would be a mistake to form an interpretation of clear passages relating to God’s everlasting love and goodness, and the clear passages showing God’s care for all people (such as those in Part 1), by these figurative passages in Revelation.

    Later on in the book, we read that “there will be no night” in heaven. Will some people suffer “day and night” forever in Hell, while others experience only daytime in Heaven? This stretches credulity.

    Also, at the end of Revelation we find these wonderful descriptions of life with God:

    No longer will there be any curse.
    There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain.

    Are we to understand that the redeemed, who were always taught on earth to care for the hurting and love their enemies and be kind to the undeserving, are now going to live in happiness and contentment forever, while untold billions of people suffer unimaginable horrors in conscious torment? I simply cannot accept this.

    Therefore the passages in Revelation must be interpreted in a figurative and metaphorical way, and where they are hard to understand in light of more clear passages describing God’s character and plans for his creation, I must concede that I simply do not yet understand their meaning, but I am not going to lose faith in God’s goodness and loving nature simply because of a few difficult-to-understand passages.


At 10:56 AM, Blogger matt said...

God's heart is for all people, to offer His love to everyone. I have the same heart - I wish everyone would be saved and no one would experience judgment. I would LIKE to be a universalist.

But I disagree with your well-thought out argument. I do think each of these scriptures lead to a different conclusion than you are drawing.

But, hey, how can I argue with an old buddy who turned me on to "GLAD" and who we created some of the greatest comedy routines together! ;]

At 11:08 AM, Blogger Tim said...

Matt, thank you so much for leaving a comment!

I would just say that "judgement" is a good thing, and everyone should and will experience it. It's not God's judgement, which is perfectly just and moderated by his love, but the ridiculous doctrine of "everlasting torment" that I've rejected.

I'd love to talk to you more about this sometime, but I know you're a busy man.

"Glad"!! I've been looking for MP3s of their first couple of albums. That was great stuff!

At 8:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The very nature of God which is "love" lets each one us choose life or choose death. If we are willing and obedient, we eat the good. Why should he "make" man to forever abide with Him who is "eternal life", if they chose not to believe or be with the God of the scripture? "Knowing" God is "eternal life" God sends none to a forever burning hell, but we make choices according to the desires of our heart, choosing life or death. The "Universal Redemption" message has been around for a while, it does not deal with the "old nature" sin element we are born with. Only through faith in Christ and His overcoming is this dealt with. If He had not come then we would have a cloak for our sin.

At 8:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

continuing....The "Universal Redemption" message is a cloak that keeps us operating out of our own minds and spirits and not in submission to God (the Word) and resisting the devil (the evil, the old nature). We can miss it, that is our purpose to be conformed to the image of the Son. What do we really desire?

At 8:43 AM, Blogger Eric said...

A compelling argument for universalism to me is:

1. Christ took on himself the punishment for the sins of the whole world.
2. Christ was not forever separated from the Father; rather, only three days (or less).
3. Therefore, even if one bore the entire consequence of his own sin, it would not involve unending separation from God, or Christ's atonement would have been incomplete.

IOW, if we believe that an individual may be punished forever for his sin, why (when that sin was transferred to Christ) did Christ not endure the same punishment?

At 8:44 AM, Blogger Tim said...

To the anonymous commenter above:

Thanks for your comment.

You may have misunderstood me. I do not think God is going to "make" anyone spend eternity with him. The reason God can know that "every knee will bow, and every tongue confess" is that, he knows that's what we're made for.

I believe that God has created mankind -- that's every one of us -- for a purpose. That purpose involves being with him. It's part of our very deepest nature as human beings. Sin has clouded that, and THAT is what we needed saving from and why Jesus came.

Let me say it another way: that propensity to "choose death" -- THAT is what Jesus came to save us from!

To say that God would leave us to perish because of our inclination to choose unwisely, is like a lifeguard complaining that he can't save a drowning man because of all the water. What good is a lifeguard like that?

Salvation is an ACT OF GOD, not of man. Man's actions and choices got us into problems, God's action is to SAVE us. We need a savior.

You are correct that the universal redemption message has been around for a while. St. Augustine (who in some ways is the inventor of the orthodox doctrine of never-ending torment) said in 300 A.D. that "most believers believe there will be an end to the sufferings of Hell". That's very interesting to me. Today the very opposite is true. Do you think we've come closer to the truth over the last 1700 years?

The universal redemption message -- at least, as I see it -- DOES deal with the "old nature" sin element we were born with! In my view, it's DESTROYED, once and FOR ALL! In fact, it's the limited redemption message that DOES NOT deal with it! It portrays God attempting to "contain" it, without ever getting rid of it.

Anyway, thanks for the comment.

At 8:56 AM, Blogger Tim said...

Eric, Thanks for the comment! That's an great argument. I'll have to add it to my arsenal. ;-)

To the "continuing..." comment of the anonymous poster:

I don't know why you would think that the universal redemption message would cause anyone to quit resisting evil. The very opposite has been true in my life.

Someone once said that a ridiculously severe punishment actually has less power to motivate people toward the good than an equitable one.

In other words, if a government decides to make it law that every crime, no matter how large or small, will be punished with death, the result will not be to diminish the amount of crime that takes place. Once people start to see this unjust law in practice, they will lose all faith in the government and crime rates will actually RISE. This has been demonstrated numerous times in history.

At 1:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, you do not believe in retribution of any kind for evil doers? The scripture doesn't teach a forever burning lake of fire, but men such as Hitler will receive the same reward that the Apostle John receives? Why would Christ pay the price if all would be redeemed eventually anyway? If I in fact believe as you, then I will be able to be as free as you are then...right?

At 1:51 PM, Blogger Tim said...

To that last anonymous poster:

I don't know if you're the same anonymous poster that commented before, but I'm really wondering if you even read what I wrote.

I will answer your questions in the order you asked them:

1. Do I believe in retribution of any kind for evildoers? Yes, I believe there will be just recompense for evil. Not never-ending torment, which is unjust.

2. Will men such as Hitler receive the same reward as the apostle John? Of course not! How absurd. I never said, or even hinted at such nonsense.

3. Why would Christ pay the price if all would be redeemed anyway? Well, the answer reveals a misunderstand of my position, and possibly of what "redemption" means. Suppose I go to the store and pick up $50.00 worth of items. I then proceed to the checkout and hand the checker $50.00, and take all the items I purchased home with me. Later, you come to me and ask me: "how many of the items did you take home?" And I respond: "all of the items I purchased." Will you then ask "If you were going to take all the items home anyway, why did you pay for them?" It's a silly question, that betrays an ignorance of how purchasing and redemption work.

4. If I believe as you, then I will be as free as you are, right?

I'm not sure what is meant by that question.

Once I encountered an old Christian friend in my local bookstore, who appeared haggard and depressed. I asked him what was wrong, and he replied that his mother, who had for many years ignored his evangelistic efforts and never believed in Christ, had died. This poor guy was literally being consumed with fear and remorse, believing that his dear mother, whom he loved, was that very moment being tormented in the fires of hell. I talked with him for hours, sharing all that I believed and showing him BY THE SCRIPTURES that God would not abandon EVEN ONE of the objects of his love and care. My friend was not convinced of it all there and then. He was a died-in-the-wool Baptist, and had been for many years. But, he did thank me deeply and sincerely for sharing, and giving him hope for his mother.

If you are bound up with fear and terror, and that's what's motivating you to "serve the Lord". Then believing as I do will set you free from that. If you're the type that goes around scowling and full of worry that you might slip up and God might reject you for some sin you forgot to confess... sheesh! You need to be set free of that!

If you have loved ones that have died without ever believing in the Gospel, and it makes you sad to think that people you love are suffering in hell, without any hope of recovery, then you can be set free of that.

Does that answer your question?

At 2:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am asking are you truly free from the spirit of this world or like many who preach...God's fixing to do something in the near future? I can know by examining my life and my peace of mind whether or not I am growing or making progress spiritually. A tree truly is known by it's fruit. Many doctrines are being preached today for the truth, but only the truth sets us free. Free from ignorance, free from all that separates us from God. In all our studying and reading are we still ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth?

At 3:08 PM, Blogger Tim said...

Well Mr. or Ms. Anonymous, you have aroused my curiosity. Who are you? Our conversation here is starting to get a little long for this format. Perhaps you should email me at If you are a Facebook friend, contact me there. Either way, I do want to continue -- it just seems like we're pressing this format beyond it's practical use.

Where in anything I've said did you get the impression that I'm someone who preaches "God's fixing to do something in the near future"? I don't even know what you're talking about there.

Am I free from sin? No. Neither are you. Am I still learning? Yes. If you're looking for some revelation that can make you unencumbered by sin, or something that will make continued learning obsolete, move on. This ain't what you're looking for.

From my perspective, as I've often told people, the old doctrine (foisted upon me as "the Gospel" for most of my life) that a relative few will eventually be saved, while most of humanity will end up hopelessly lost and abandoned in the never-ending torments of hell -- this is a darkness that I have found freedom from. People still in that dark place can call to me all they like, and claim they're really the ones in the light, but as one who's been in the dark, and come out into the light, I can no more return to that then a butterfly can return into the cocoon and be a caterpillar again.

At 3:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will no longer keep you in suspense, I am.........Thanks for your time will send any other blogs to the suggested email address. Have a good evening.

At 5:46 PM, Blogger --xxgeneralsaudixx-- said...

what version are those verses from?

At 5:50 PM, Blogger Tim said...

All passages are from the NIV.

At 9:13 PM, Blogger Timothy Blaisdell said...

In case anyone cares, the anonymous poster never did send me an email. I wish he or she had.

If he or she ever reads this again, I'd like to announce that my email address has changed to I'd love to take up this discussion again with "anonymous", or anyone else who wants to chat about it.

At 1:45 PM, Anonymous paul evans said...

god is love. as julian of norwich wrote 'all things shall be well.' i cant understand the hardness of fundamentalists, i ask the lord to show his love to them, but they seek him in their scriptures and wont look up and speak face to face with the living god. i was born a christian, of a christian family, with a priest for a father. i turned from religion as a teenager as i despised the way my family was treated by it. i lived a miserable life as an atheist until a friend invited me to greenbelt, where i wrote a prayer on paper which was collected up to be buried in the 'field of dreams'. a year later my friend shared that god had told him to go to tobermory, so i took him there and i encountered god on the journey and returned 'blessed' and my salvation was worked out and jesus told me he loved me as his brother.
i read the bible with the spirit (rhema) and loved to worship and was fullfilled. but then the church taught me this revolting theology of the elect and i am now refusing to accept it.

At 3:46 PM, Blogger Timothy Blaisdell said...

Thanks for commenting Paul. I can certainly identify with your journey. I'm curious how you came upon this post (written years ago)?

At 10:33 AM, Anonymous Owen Kindig said...

Thank you and I agree with your thoughts... Glad you had already discovered Ezekiel 16 and how it explains Jude 6.

One explanation that may help you with the torment passages is to recognize that in each case torment comes from basanizo, a word that means "touchstone". The etymology refers to a black basalt stone that was placed in ancient cities as a place for the purity of metal coins to be tested. Torment was the process of exposing what the coin/ person was made of. As you pointed out, forever is aonian, which means age lasting. The beast is a picture if the apostate Christian church, and it (the human institution) will be cast into the lake of fire... Destroyed. Death and hell are also cast into the lake of fire. Destroyed. To destroy death means to eliminate the ancient curse of hereditary adamic death, which of course is what the Romans 5 text promises. To destroy hell which is the death condition of those who died in Adam, everyone must be resurrected out of it, which Christ promised to do in John 5:25ff.

So I think there is some annihilation contemplated for satan and his unrepentant angels, false religious systems, the nephilim from before the flood, and the few humans in the next age and Christians in this age who are evil in heart after amazing grace has been shown them. But the vast majority of all people who have ever lived will choose life, I believe is the bible's promise.

At 10:09 PM, Blogger Timothy Blaisdell said...

Owen Kindig: Thank you so much for your thoughful, informative comment!

After wading through worthless comments for years and years, I must admit it was a welcome surprise to open up your comment and realize that it is actually a bona-fide comment from a real person who read my blog entry!!

From the bottom of my heart, I thank you for taking the time to write your comment.

I appreciate your comments regarding the etymology of the term "torment" and its relation to the concept of purification. Your comments will undoubtedly lead to hours of enjoyable research on my part to test the validity of what you've said here. Thank you! I what you say checks out, I may need to issue an update to this blog entry!

Also, I appreciate your thoughts concerning the "lake of fire" passages in Revelation. I like how you say that what it's talking about there is not individual people, but human institutions, and that what it represents is the destruction of these abstract constructs, rather than (necessarily) the destruction of individual people.

In short: your comment has afforded me the opportunity to research and refine my own beliefs. I couldn't ask for better! Thanks again for taking the time to post!


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